[PLEASUREMAN]

Who cares whether pro-lifers are in favor of cheap birth control? It's not as though people are in danger of losing access to pharmacies. It's already cheap and wildly pervasive. (It seems to be creating very well-adjusted boys and girls, too.)

Anyway, it's a side issue. Go ahead and make the case on good Constitutional law for Roe. I dare you. It is a terrible decision usurping the right of voters to decide the legality of a medical procedure, and makes a value judgement on whether a) abortion is just too ghastly to freely permit, or b) perhaps you've heard of a woman's right to choose YOU SEXIST MONSTER. I'm simply for letting the vote happen and the Constitution return to being a meaningful document, if that is even possible now.

But speaking of Sarah Palin...Steve Sailer has a new post up on our favorite she-populist. His commenters are all aflame, nothing to do with Sailer's innocuous observation, just about Palin in general. I just felt like I had to contribute something that would alienate as many of those strange people as possible:

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Palin is a magnet for the dementia on the left and right (like Clinton, Bush, and Obama before her). That is why she is still around.

LA Times' Max Blumenthal sounds as unhinged as the imaginary people he describes. Palin is obviously not cut out for national politics, but the neurotic projection of fear and loathing has jumped some sort of orbital mega-shark...say hi to Fonzi for me, Max.

The next election cycle will [probably] establish that she is a populist one hit wonder, and the people who deeply CARE pro or con Palin will find something else trivial to deeply CARE about. (It will show how smart they are that they spend alot of time thinking about fads.)

What I find irritating is how white people standing in line to hear Palin = scary thuggish redneck morons, whereas white people standing in line to hear Obama (read from a Teleprompter) = a hopeful new generation of civic-minded youth. I mean let's face it, both Palin and Obama are mediocrities who vaulted to high status based on surface appeal (I understand that Obama knows how to read. And vote "present".)

Folks, we get the politicians we deserve. We won't get better politicians until we fix ourselves. A good start might be letting the Republican Party sink into its tarpit of retarded libertarian capitalism, Israel-centric foreign policy, and pseudo-populism, so that a worthwhile political movement based on tradition and wise conservatorship can replace it.

[PLEASUREMAN]

Re: Max Blumenthal, isn't it so like a Jew to observe that the Republican Party is in the death grip of evangelical rubes after eight years of his fellow tribesmen running the Party straight into the ground?

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Who cares whether pro-lifers are in favor of cheap birth control?

Pleasureman, was that to me? First, since a big chunk of the pro-life movement would ban birth control as well, it looks as if beleiving that abortions are murder is not their key issue. Like the people who try to get executing retards banned. or claim that some method of execution should be banned, but really want the death penalty banned. It looks a bit dishonest.

Everyone who buys evolution by selection, or even demography. Half of black women's pregnancies end in abortion. God knows how many white chicks get abortions because the father's black. Ban abortion, and the black birthrate doubles. That isn't good for either blacks or whites. So an abortion ban would have to come with a big fraction of the dumbs getting on dumbproof birth control, with or without consent.

As for defending Roe as constitutional, I said the decision was terrible as precedent. Given how many things the federal government regulates that it does not have explicit power to, the Constitution is mostly dead.

Palin can only win if white women crossover to vote for her. It could happen. If the Republicans do tank, how could a (white) traditionalist party get together before the demographic disaster? It could never come to power democratically.

[PLEASUREMAN]

a birth control ban would pass in no legislative body in this country outside jesus county, texas, 100 miles from the nearest post office (I also doubt that greater than 10% of the pro-lifers would turn out to ban contraceptives)

I accept your other points but then you are stuck with a judiciary that will forever have a free pass to do things like ban executing dumb people "just because"

a traditionalist party is going to have to cross ethnic boundaries, you are right the numbers don't add up otherwise...I think something akin to Sailer's "citizenism" could work...I actually think a traditionalist party freed from Republican Party baggage could appeal to more substantial segments of the hispanic and black vote...but there are several obstacles to overcome to get to that point, maybe I'm fantasizing

(it would definitely have to be more sober and less impassioned than the tea parties or other mainly white protest movements)

[PLEASUREMAN]

also re: Roe, the only thing that would really change if you overturned is that one or two states might ban abortion (for awhile) and several more would pass real parental notification/consent laws, big deal...the fearmongering of feminists would be seen as completely empty

[rho]

PLEASUREMAN, 23 November 2009 - 02:54 PM:

I think something akin to Sailer's "citizenism" could work...I actually think a traditionalist party freed from Republican Party baggage could appeal to more substantial segments of the hispanic and black vote

What does that mean? Google gave me some years-old articles, but nothing that really resonates as a platform. Not that I blame anyone for not proposing an actual platform, as it immediately opens up a can of worms. Every one-note-flute player on the Internet--and the Internet is mostly that--would stumble in to play their favorite hits, over and over and over again. That said, it would be an interesting experiment.

However "citizenism" sounds 'spergy. Traditionalist is better-ish. We seem to like sciency-sounding names for our parties, rather than something more interesting. I always liked the "Bull Moose Party". It could be anything, except you're pretty sure it's got nothing to do with male moose. I don't have any bright ideas, but I've always liked beavers--hard working, family oriented, alters its environment to suit itself. Plus "I Support the Beaver Party" t-shirts would sell like hotcakes on college campuses.

[PLEASUREMAN]

rho, 23 November 2009 - 04:32 PM:

PLEASUREMAN, 23 November 2009 - 02:54 PM:

I think something akin to Sailer's "citizenism" could work...I actually think a traditionalist party freed from Republican Party baggage could appeal to more substantial segments of the hispanic and black vote

What does that mean? Google gave me some years-old articles, but nothing that really resonates as a platform. Not that I blame anyone for not proposing an actual platform, as it immediately opens up a can of worms. Every one-note-flute player on the Internet--and the Internet is mostly that--would stumble in to play their favorite hits, over and over and over again. That said, it would be an interesting experiment.

However "citizenism" sounds 'spergy. Traditionalist is better-ish. We seem to like sciency-sounding names for our parties, rather than something more interesting. I always liked the "Bull Moose Party". It could be anything, except you're pretty sure it's got nothing to do with male moose. I don't have any bright ideas, but I've always liked beavers--hard working, family oriented, alters its environment to suit itself. Plus "I Support the Beaver Party" t-shirts would sell like hotcakes on college campuses.

I mean my traditionalist party would be like citizenism in that it seeks to cross ideological and ethnic boundaries...not saying it is realistic at this point, I mean we're getting pretty dumb